Wednesday, December 21, 2011

On Horoscope and Date of Birth of Sri Ram



I have collected following versions of horoscope and date of birth of Sri Ram from various 
sources :-

1.      Photographed from horoscope. This version is almost identical in every horoscope :
                                              
Horoscope of Sri Ram and Sri Krishan

































2. KK Pathak in his article ‘An Appraisal Of Pancha Mahapurusha Yoga’ Astrological Magazine, Jan 1997, p. 21 writes “My observations are based on Valmiki Ramayana, Raghuvamsham and Uttara Ramacharitra” and gives following horoscope :

In his another article ‘Astrological Clues to Male and Female Progeny’ in Astrological Magazine, Sept 1997 issue, p 769 mentions that “According to Valmiki Ramayana, Sri Ram was born on Chaitra Sukla Navami in the 4th part of Punarvasu in Cancer Rasi and Cancer Lagna at mid-day. . . The Sun was in Aries; Mercury was in Taurus; the Moon and Jupiter were in Cancer; Saturn was retrograde in Libra; Mars was in Capricorn; Venus and Rahu were in Pisces; and Ketu was in Virgo.”




3. Dr S R N Murthy, in his article ‘Some Astrological Aspects of Valmiki Ramayana’ Astrological Magazine, Aug 1996, p. 674 writes :
 
“Reference to Valmiki Ramayana: tretayuga, Vaivaswata Manvantra when there was still some 30,000 yrs to elapse. Born in Karkataka (Cancer) lagna on Wednesday, 9th day of bright half of the chaitra month of the cyclic year Vilambi in Punarvasu star, the balance of Jupiter dasa at birth being about 4yrs” and offers this horoscope.







4. Dr. Bangalore Sureshwara refers to Prof. Suryanarain Rao--the doyen of Vedic Astrology--in his article ‘Reflections on Ramayana’ Astrological Magazine, Jan 1995, p. 40 regarding date of birth of Sri Ram as 11th February, 4433 BC, Ayodhya 10:47:48 am Monday.
















 “Some appear to be erroneous when they consider Mercury in Aries.” P. 39.

On page 40 he personally holds that “The Vedic theological and scriptural information has clearly indicated that Sri Vishnu’s incarnation as Sri Rama was very much earlier than that of Sri Krishna. That is, Lord Rama’s birth may have taken place at least many-many thousands of years prior to Lord Krishna’s birth” and on p. 39 agrees with Dr. BV Raman’s inference that Lord Krishna’s birth took place on 19th July 3228 BC.





5. Dr. Bangalore Sureshwara in ‘Reflections on Ramayana’ Astrological Magazine, Jan 1995, p. 42 discusses yet another small variation on above :

“Mercury sandwiched between Sun & Ketu”.
















“Mercury not in exaltation” Astrological Magazine, Jan 1995, p. 42

 














6. Sudarshan Singh “Chakra”, Bhagvatta Lila Ank, Kalyan, p. 121-125.


“Karak lagan, chaitra, shukla, navami, Tuesday, madhumass, Madhya tithi of shukla paksha Rikta. Third pad of Punarvasu nakshatra.










7. Sanjay Rath in his book ‘Vedic Remedies in Astrology’ published by Sagar Publications, on p. 67, illustrates following horoscope of Sri Ram :

 


















8. Yet another version from internet site by Kulbhushan Singhal , Mumbai. Acccording to him Shri Ram was born at least 5.00 lac years earlier and this is the version of horoscope :
 
 














9. Even I came across a kundli where from I noted down this horoscope of Sri Ram, where Sun is placed in Leo in 2nd house, but it seems it was a serious copying mistake. Incidentally I actually came across this version again in the book 'Brihad Ravan Samhita'  by Tantrik Bahal, the photo of which is as under :
 




In book 'Brihad Ravan Samhita' by Tantrik Bahal























Summing up, the variation in the date of birth and horoscope is huge ranging from ±2,165,000 BC to 4400 BC : 

Date/period of birth
Reference
Source
Some 2,165,110 years from now backwards
Sri Ram is believed to be born in Treta Yuga. If we refer to the classical calendar of Yuga then some 5110 years of Kaliyuga have already been elapsed. Adding 8,64,000 years of Dwapar Yuga + 12,96,000 years of Treta Yuga we get total 21,65,110 years from now backwards that Sri Ram might have been born.
Classical Yuga period theory
+ 1,700,000 BC
“Mysterious legend called Ramayana, which was supposed to have taken place in tredha yuga (more than 1,700,000 years ago)”.
Ravi Mukkavilli
8,97,102 BC Wednesday
30,000 yrs of Treta + 8,64,000 of Dwapar + 3102 yrs of Kaliyuga before Christ
“Reference to Valmiki Ramayana: tretayuga, Vaivaswata Manvantra when still some 30,000 yrs to elapse.”
Dr S R N Murthy, Astrological Magazine, Aug 1996, p. 674
At least 5.00 lac years earlier
--
Kulbhushan Singhal
4 Dec 7323 BC
Valmiki records the birth of Rama as Chaitra Shuddha Navami (9th), on Punarvasu Nakshatra and five plants were exalted then; Sun in Mesha upto 10 deg., Mars in Capricorn at 28 deg., Jupiter in Cancer at 5 deg., Venus in Pisces at 27 deg. and Saturn in Libra at 20 deg. (Bala Kanda.18/Shloka 8,9).
Dr PV Vartak--“Vastav Ramayan in Marathi” Vedvidnyana, Pune.
and
“Dating the Ramayana with Valmiki’s clues”—by Saurabh Kwatra.
10 Jan 5114 BC 12.30pm
Chaitra Karka lagna in Pushya instead of Punarvasu nakshatra.

“Reference Aaj Tak, news channel, 9.30pm February 2008”
(Ram was to be crowned on 5 Jan 5089 BC when instead he was sent for 14 yrs exile).
Bharat Gyan Project, working on Balmiki Ramayan. & Pushkar Bhatnagar with Saroj Bala, Times News Network, Saturday, Nov 08, 2003. Also supported by Satya Sarada Kandula.
17 March, 4439 BC, 11:15 AM Sunday
--
How to Conduct Puja to SriRamachandra, by Dr. A. V. Srinivasan, published byPeriplus Line LLC
Box 56,
East Glastonbury,
CT 06025.
11th February, 4433 BC, 10:47:48  Monday.
--
Prof. Suryanarain Rao, Astrological Magazine, Jan 1995, p. 39-40
4400 BC
--
“Ramayana and Beyond” an online Book.
8th or 7th century BC "Ram may have been a minor chief who lived in 8th or 7th century BC"
AL Basham--'The Wonder that was India", London 1956, p. 303.


Various software and personal calculations have been made by various researchers to reach at the planetary configuration that was supposed to be present at the time of birth of Sri Ram, but the date reached so should not be contradictory to the ancient writings including Purans. First of all it should be determined that the software used is accurate and should be checked for known dates with panchang of the BC millennium. Mostly astronomical software are developed for the known dates of Western culture where no panchang was used and on that rough basis, like eluding references to solar and lunar eclipses, planetary movements are calculated. Using such software will be disastrous on which most of the calculations have been made for deciding the birth of Sri Ram and Sri Krishan. First of all such software should be verified for known dates that are abundant in Purans and ancient writings (soon I will publish such dates and events, known and verified). To some extent it also results in wrongly dating the history of India. Further any research should be oriented without any prejudices, personal faith and belief. Every event mentioned in scriptural/Puranic/Vedic writings should fit together as in a well managed jigsaw puzzle.

Most of the researchers claim to have ‘Ramayana of Valmiki’ as their primary source of investigation for fixing the date of birth of Sri Ram, but all have reached different conclusions. Very few have worked on both Ramayana and Mahabharata and thus ignored the important connectivity between the two epic periods. Readers are requested to refer to my previous blog “Ram and Krishan were contemporary--March 2011”.




Thursday, December 15, 2011

Manus and Manvantras


List of 14 Manvantras, Manus and their Saptrishis etc

The primordial origin of the Brahm: Vishnu, Akuti and Manasdev Yajyapurush
Manavantra
Presiding Manu (14)
Primordial origin
Indra:
Devata/Manavantradhikari/Devagana:
Saptarishis:
Manuputras:
1
Swayambhuva Manu
Manasdev Yug Purusha/Aakuti
I: Shachipati / Shatkratu
D: Yam etc.
S: Mariachi, Atri, Angira, Pulah, Pulastya, Kritu, Vasisth. Aurv etc.
M: Swayambhuva Manu married Shatrupa of whom were born Priyavratt and Uttanpad.
2
Swarochish son of Priyavratt
With Tushit Devaganas born of Tushita/Sri Ajit
I: Devraj Indra/Vipsrichet.
D: Paravat, Tushitgan.
S: Urjj, Stambh, Pran, Vaat, Prishabh, Niraya, Parivan.
(Urjstambh, Pran, Dattoli, Risabh, Nischar, Charv, Vir)
M: Chaitra, Kimpurush.
3
Uttam son of Uttanpad.
Tushit Devganas born of Satya & Satyaa.
I: Sushanti
D: Sudham(a), Satya, Shiv, Jap, Pratardan, Vashvarti and other 12 devatas.
S: 7 sons of Vashisth: (from Urja: Raja, Gatra, Urdhavbahu, Savan, Anagh,  Shukr, Sutapt)
M: Aj, Parshu, Dipt etc.
4
Taamas
son of Priyavratt (Taamas had 10 sons)
Hari Devganas born of Harya
I: King Shivi / Shikhri
D: Supar, Hari, Satya, Sudhi. Each of them having 27 ganas. Swaroop etc.
S: Jyotirdhama, Prithu, Kavya, Chaitra, Agni, Vanak (Brahm), Pivar.
M: Nar, Khyati, Keturoop, Janujangh etc.
5
Raivatt son of Durdum b/o Priyavratt
Born of Revati. Hari born as Manas from Sambhuti. Cousin brother of Taamas.
Manas
I: Vibhu / Vitath
D: 14 devagana of each Devata: Amitabha, Bhootraya, Vaikunth, Sumedha etc.
S: Hiranyaroma, Vedsri, Urdhavbhau, Vedbahu, Sudhama, Parjanya, Mahamuni Vasisth.
M: Balbandhu, sambhavya, Satyak kings etc.
6
Chakshush/ Pushkarni
Son of king of Ang
Hari born as Vaikunth from Vaikuntha
I: Manojav.
D: Apya, Prasoot, Bhavya, Prithuk, Arya, Lekh. Each one having 8 ganas. Swati etc
S: Sumedha, Virja, Havishman, Uttam, Madhu, Atinama, Sahishnu.
M: Uru, Puru, Satadhiuman etc.
7
Suryaputra Vaivasvat/ Shradh Dev/ Akshuv, he married Shradha He is the author of Manusmriti.
Vishnu born as Vaman Avtar from Kashyap and Aditi
I: Purandar.
D: Dwadasa Aditya, Vasu, Rudra etc.
S: Vashishth, Kasyap, Atri, Jamdagni, Gautam, Vishwamitra, Bhardwaj.
(Atri, Vasisth, Kashyap, Gautam, Bhardwaj, Vishwamitra, Kaushik)
M: Ikshvaku, Nrig, Dhrishth, Sharyati, Nrishyant, Nabhag alias Mandhata, Arisht, Karoosh, Prishdhra.
8
Savarni (king Surath in previous incarnation)

I: Bali, the son of Virochan, who was the resident of Patal.
D: Sutup/Sutapa, Amitabh, Apramey. Each devata having 20 ganas.
S: Diptiman, Galav, Ram, Krip, Dron-putra Asvatthama, Vyas the son of Prasara, Srishyashring.
M: Viraj, Urvarivan, Nirmok etc.
9
Daksh Savarni

I: Adbhut
D: Paar, Marichgarbh, Sudharma, each having 12 devotees
S: Savan, Dhiutiman, Bhaavya, Vasu, Maidhatithi, Jyotishman, Satya.
M: Dhritketu, Diptiketu, Panch-hasta, Niramaya, Prithushrva etc.
10
Brahm Savarni (Meru Savarni)

I: Shanti.
D: Sudhama, Vishuddh, Suvaasan, each one having 100 devaganas. Such etc.
S: Hvishman, Sukrit, Satya, Tapomurti, Nabhaag, Apritimauja, Satyaketu. Harishya etc.
M: Sukshetra, Uttamauja, Bhurishen etc. they are 10 in number.
11
Dharam Savarni (Surya Savarni)

I: Vrish / Gann
D: Vihangam, Kaamgam, Nirvanrati. Each one having 30 ganas.
S: Nihswar/Nischar, Agniteja, Vapushmaan, Ghrini, Aaruni, Havishmaan, Anagh.
M: Sarvatrag, Sudharma, Devaneek etc.
12
Rudraputra Savarni (Rudra Savarni /Indra Savarni)

I: Ritudhaama.
D: Harit, Rohit, Sumana, Sukarma, Suraap. Each one having 10 ganas.
S: Tapsvi, Sutapa, Tapomurti, Taporati, Tapodhriti, Tapodhiuti, Tapodhan.
M: Devvaan, Updev, Devshreshth etc.
13
Ruchi (Rudra Savarni/ Devsavarni/ Rochaya/ Rochmaan)

I: Divspati.
D: Suttrama/Sutramani+, Sukarma, Sudharma. 33 devatas.
S: Nirmoh, Tattvadarshi, Nishprkamp, Nirutsuk, Dhritiman, Avyay, Sutapa.
M: Chitrsen, Vichitr etc.
14
Bhaum (Vishu Savarni)/ Bhautay

I: Shuchi
D: Chakshush, Pavitr, Kanishth, Bhrajik, Vachavridh.
S: Agnibahu, Shuchi, Shukra, Maagadh, Agnidhra, Yukt, Jit.
M: Uru, Gambhirbuddhi etc.



Manus and Manvantras

Manvantras are not separate entities in terms of division of time and chronology but it is a term best used for division of region that is geographical division. The word Manvantra can be divided into Manu and antra, the difference in Manus. The following events show evidence of this theory :--

Arjuna was on pilgrimage of all the holy places. During one sojourn he happened to stay at Ashram of Bhardwaj muni, by the eastern banks of river Swaranmukhri, towards the southern part of mountain Kaalhasti. Then Bhardwaj muni narrates the list of saptrishis in the following order: 

            Vishwamitra, Bhardwaj himself, Kashyap, Atri, Jamdagni, Gautam and Vasisth. 

Two rishis of 7th Manvantra, Atri and Vasistha, were also the Saptrishis of 1st Manvantra.

Aswathama, son of Dronacharya and grandson of Rishi Bhardwaj was Saptrishi of 8th Manvantra. While Rishi Bhardwaj was the Saptrishi of 7th Manvantra.

Vasistha was the saptrishi of 1st, 5th and 7th Manvantra, but his 7 sons were the saptrishis of 3rd Manvantra.

Bhism pitamah of Mahabharata was braught up in the ashram of Vasistha who was the saptrishi of 1st, 5th and 7th Manvantras. But in his time Aswathama and Kripacharya were the Saptrishis of 8th Manvantra.

Jamdagni rishi, the father of celebrated Parshuram, was the Saptrishi of 7th Manvantra. Parshuram had links with Bhism pitamah (8th Manvantra) and Vasistha (1st, 5th and 7th Manvantras).

Swarochis Manu (2nd Manvantra), Uttam Manu (3rd), Taamas Manu (4th), and Raivatt Manu (5th) were brothers being sons of Priyavratt, Durdum and Uttanpaad, who were the son of Swayambhuva Manu (1st Manvantra). [In Devibhagvatta Mahapuran, sakand 8, chaps 3-4, Uttam, Taamas and Raivatt are said to be sons of Priyavratt himself]. Sawarmi Manu (8th) and Vaivasvat Manu (7th) were sons of Vivasvaan Surya from Chaya and Sangya respectively.

Vishnu took incarnation as Vaaman avatar through Aditi, wife of Kashyap, the Saptrishi of 7th Manvantra. But Kashyap was brother of Swayambhuva Manu (1st Manvantra). Both were sons of Marichi. Vaaman asked for three steps of land from Bali, son of Virochan, as donation. Bali was the Indra of 8th Manvantra. Vyas, Kripacharya and Ashwathama were the Saptrishis of 8th Manvantra.

Tishanku was the son of Vaivasvat Manu (7th Manvantra). Due the curse of 7 sons of Vasistha (3rd manvantra) Trishnaku became chandaal. Vasisth was saptrishi of 1st, 5th and 7th Manvantras. Vishwamitra, the Saptrishi of 7th Manvantra, performed yajya for creating new parallel world/heaven for this Trishanku.

Swayambhuv Manu (1st Manvantra) married his daughter Aakuti with Ruchi (Rudra Savarni of 13th Manvantra?).

Vaivasvat Manu (7th Manvantra) was paying water oblation to his departed ancestors when a fish appeared in his palms and gave him forewarning of the great flood. The characters that appear from 1st to 6th Manvantras lived after the great flood. There is no recorded/remembered history prior to this flood.

It is ridiculous to believe that only 3 generations of father and sons ruled for 30,67,20,000 x 8 = 2,45,37,60,000 years from 1st Manvantra to 8th Manvantra. It is repeatedly stated and believed that 1 Manvantra is equal to 71 Mahayugas/Chaturyugas. One Mahayuga consists of 17,28,000 years of Satyuga/Krityuga + 12,96,000 years of Treta Yuga + 8,64,000 years of Dwapar Yuga + 4,32,000 years of Kaliyuga. 

It is stated in Puranas that Narmada River first of all appeared in Satyuga, then its second appearance was in Daksh Savarani manvantra by Chandravanshi king Hiranyateja from Udyachal parvat and its third appearance was facilitated by king Pururava in Vaishnav manvantra. Later king Purukutsu asked its appearance as a boon from Shiva. Narmada now appeared from Prayank parvat. It appears that appearance of Narmada river in various manvantras is not in chronological cross section of time but the river appeared at various places belonging to different manvantras as different geographical situations.

It is cited that in the period of ‘First Tretayuga’  of Swayambhu Manvatra the sons of Priyavratta, so to say, the grandsons of Swayambhu Manu divided the Earth in ‘Varsh.’ In Sanskrit the word ‘varsh’ means (i) monsson, (ii) Varsha (Sanskrit) A region, a plain; any stretch of country situated between the great mountain-ranges of the earth. Varsh also means several words: continent, era, winter, year, years, samvat, kalp, all noun.